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Retro Champions/Carroll Widdoes Was Robbed

Wednesday, December 11th, 2013

There once was a Buckeye football coach named Carroll Widdoes.  He was born in 1903 in, like Manny Pacquiao, Corazon Aquino, Efren Reyes, and Tim Tebow, the Philippines.  He went to Otterbein College, then he became an assistant coach to a young man named Paul Brown at Massillon Washington High School and later at The Ohio State University.  When Brown joined the Navy in 1944, Widdoes became the Buckeyes’ head coach.  His team went undefeated in his first year (9-0), and went 7-2 in his second year.  Then he left and eventually became the coach and athletic director at Ohio University (which will confuse Brady Hoke to no end).

Here’s the thing.  Widdoes’ 1944 Buckeye team went undefeated.  They beat three teams in the top 20, two in the top 6.  They had on their team the pride of Parma Senior High School, Les Horvath, the Heisman Trophy winner that year.  They had some of the same players who won the 1942 national championship, including Les Horvath.  They also were playing at the same time as Army’s dominant team (which included future Heisman winners Doc Blanchard and Glenn Davis), with whom they were retroactively given a share of the title.  But Ohio State doesn’t officially claim it.

Well I think we should.  Maybe it’s the disappointment of losing the Big Ten Championship this year.  Maybe I’m just trying to grasp at something positive.  But I think we should claim it.  We were undefeated and beat three top teams.  The only decent way to compare the teams is not great for us, but it’s not damning.  We both played Pittsburgh that year.  Army won 69-7, while OSU won 54-19.  Plus there’s a little bit of a conspiracy involved.  Ohio State’s All-Americans from the 1942 title team Lin Houston and Gene Fekete (and probably others) joined the army and did not play for the Buckeyes in 1944.  Now I’m not saying that the Army Black Knights football team started World War II to better their chances in the football world, but…..

There are precedents for claiming retroactively applied titles.  All polls and rankings before Frank Dickinson named Stanford champion in 1926 (with the brief exception of Caspar Whitney’s rankings from 1905-1907, each of which crowned Yale champion) were retroactively applied.  Here is a list of cases where schools only had retroactively applied titles and they officially claim them:

1926 – Alabama:  BR, CFRA, HAF, NCF & PS

1926 – Navy:  BS & HS

1927 – Texas A&M:  SR

1927 – Georgia:  BS & PS

1930 – Alabama:  CFRA & SR

1944??? – Ohio State:  NCF & SR

1950 – Kentucky:  SR

(Polls and systems used in abbreviations above:  Billingsley Report, Boand System, College Football Researchers Association, Helms Athletic Foundation, Houlgate System, National Championship Foundation, Poling System, and Sagarin Ratings.)

 

From 1953 to today, no one has claimed a title when it was only given by retroactively applied polls or rankings.  But some SEC schools claim their retroactive titles.  Why can’t we?

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15: Who-Gives-An-Eff Edition

Tuesday, December 10th, 2013

Top 15

@BuckeyeEmpire @TheBuckeyeNinja Its the only legit poll in the nation bro…

— Marshall (@marshallsheldon) October 27, 2013

Yeah, so none of us really gave a crap for some reason. Strangely there weren’t any ties this week.

Dropped out: Northern Illinois, Duke, Arizona State

 

  Team Last Change
1 Florida State (3) 1 0
2 Sparty 7 +5
3 Auburn 3 0
4 GOBAMAROLLTIDE 5 +2
5 Baylor 8 +3
6 Buckeyes 2 -4
7 Missouri 4 -3
8 Stanford 9 +1
9 Oklahoma N/R +7
10 Oklahoma State 6 -4
11 Oregon 11 0
12 South Carolina 13 +1
13 Clemson 14 +1
14 UCF 15 +1
15 LSU N/R +1

Also receiving one vote: Arizona State, Louisville

Discuss among yourselves. Or don’t. Whatever

The Buckeye Ninja’s Bottom 5 Poll

Tuesday, December 3rd, 2013

This is a very special moment. Now that the regular season is over, most of the worst teams in college football are finished with their seasons, mercifully for their fans. Still, with all the talk of “Conference A is better than Conference B” and “Team A would have lost three more games if they’d played Team B’s schedule” there’s not a lot of talk about who is really horrible.

Our contributors voted on this very matter and what follows are the results of this, the first annual Buckeye Ninja’s Bottom Five Poll.

#5 - Virginia (ACC) 2-10 (0-8)

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#4 – Kentucky (SEC) 2-10 (0-8)

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#3 – California (Pac-12) 1-11 (0-9)

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#2 – Purdue (B1G) 1-11 (0-8)

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And the worst team in college football this year is…

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The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15: Week 14

Monday, December 2nd, 2013

Top 15

@BuckeyeEmpire @TheBuckeyeNinja Its the only legit poll in the nation bro…

— Marshall (@marshallsheldon) October 27, 2013

That was some week, eh?

Clemson dropped big and three Pac-12 schools jumped up. Not really because we collectively think they’re better but because seriously what the hell this season?

Dropped out: Fresno State, Wisconsin

 

  Team Last Change
1 Florida State (3) 1 0
2 Buckeyes 2 0
3 Auburn 4 +1
4 Missouri 5 +1
5 GOBAMAROLLTIDE 3 -2
6 Oklahoma State 6 0
7 Sparty 7 0
8 Baylor 9 +1
9 Stanford 11 +2
10 Arizona State N/R +6
11 Oregon 14 +3
12 Northern Illinois 13 +1
13 South Carolina 13 0
14 Clemson 7 -7
15 Duke N/R +1
15 (tie) UCF N/R +1

Also receiving one vote: Oklahoma

Discuss among yourselves.

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15: Week 13

Wednesday, November 27th, 2013

Top 15

@BuckeyeEmpire @TheBuckeyeNinja Its the only legit poll in the nation bro…

— _arshall (@marshallsheldon) October 27, 2013

Apologies for not getting this out sooner. It’s Thanksgiving and TTUN week, so kindly suck it.

Oregon and Baylor dropped big after losses, the for_er dropping a record eight places after getting e_barrassed by RichRod. Baylor dropped the standard six spots after a loss as is tradition. _ost everyone else pretty _uch just _oved up to fill space aside fro_ Oklaho_a State who predictably went up after beating Baylor. Not a lot of excite_ent otherwise.

Dropped out: _innesota, Texas A&M

 

  Team Last Change
1 Florida State (3) 1 0
2 Buckeyes 2 0
3 GOBAMAROLLTIDE 3 +1
4 Auburn 5 +1
5 Missouri 7 +2
6 Oklahoma State 10 +4
7 Clemson 8 +1
7 (tie) Sparty 9 +2
9 Baylor 3 -6
10 Wisconsin 11 +1
11 Stanford 11 0
12 Northern Illinois 13 +1
13 South Carolina 12 +1
14 Oregon 6 -8
15 Fresno State N/R +1

Also receiving one vote each: UCF, Duke, LSU

Discuss a_ong yourselves.

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15: Week 12

Monday, November 18th, 2013

Top 15

@BuckeyeEmpire @TheBuckeyeNinja Its the only legit poll in the nation bro…

— Marshall (@marshallsheldon) October 27, 2013

All our voters dropped GOBAMAROLLTIDE in the poll, bringing them out of the top two for quite possibly the first time all season. Whether it was a result of their underwhelming performance against Mississippi State or a defensive reaction to seeing the Buckeyes win 60-35 and have the ESPN broadcasters treat it like they were behind 25 the whole game remains to be seen.

Stanford dropped out of the top ten because stop losing to unranked teams.

Dropped out: UCF

 

  Team Last Change
1 Florida State (3) 1 0
2 Buckeyes 3 +1
3 Baylor 4 +1
4 GOBAMAROLLTIDE 2 -2
5 Auburn 6 +1
6 Oregon 7 +1
7 Missouri 8 +1
8 Clemson 9 +1
9 Sparty 9 0
10 Oklahoma State 11 +1
11 Stanford 5 -6
11 (tie) Wisconsin 13 +2
13 Northern Illinois 13 +1
14 South Carolina N/R +2
15 Texas A&M 12 -3
15 (tie) Minnesota N/R +1

Also receiving one vote each: Fresno State, Arizona State, UCLA

Discuss among yourselves.

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15: Week 11

Monday, November 11th, 2013

@BuckeyeEmpire @TheBuckeyeNinja Its the only legit poll in the nation bro…

— Marshall (@marshallsheldon) October 27, 2013

Oregon dropped a bit, Stanford rose a bit, and Oklahoma State roared back into our poll. Aside from that it was relatively uneventful. We will say this: if Buffalo wins next week, they will probably get at least one vote. Because at the end of the day the only conclusion we can draw is that there’s an awful lot of mediocrity in college football this year.

Or parity. Whatever you want to call it.

Dropped out: Miami, Oklahoma

 

  Team Last Change
1 Florida State (3) 1 0
2 GOBAMAROLLTIDE 2 0
3 Buckeyes 2 -1
4 Baylor 4 0
5 Stanford 9 +4
6 Auburn 6 0
7 Oregon 3 -3
8 Missouri 8 0
9 Sparty 10 +1
10 Clemson 7 -2
11 Oklahoma State N/R +5
12 Texas A&M 14 +2
13 Wisconsin N/R +3
14 Northern Illinois 15 +1
15 Central Florida N/R +1

Also receiving one vote each: Minnesota, Fresno State, Arizona State, South Carolina

Discuss among yourselves.

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15 – Week 9

Monday, October 28th, 2013

Top 15

Big week as we added a new pollster to our ranks in order to reduce the number of ties. That didn’t really happen, but we did end up with some dramatic changes from last week. So you shouldn’t get all mad at us if some of these don’t make total sense – for example, Clemson jumping Stanford even though they looked like dogcrap against Maryland.

The big news is probably the shake-up at the top of the standings. Florida State edged out Alabama by 2/3 of a point and Bama was only 1/3 of a point ahead of Oregon. Our top five are pretty close before the drop-off to the U, which makes sense since the Canes are probably living on borrowed time until Saturday. Texas Tech dropped the farthest after losing to Oklahoma, who made their triumphant return to our poll after a week in the wilderness.

Dropped out: Wisconsin, UCLA, Virginia Tech

 

  Team Last Change
1 Florida State (1) 3 +2
2 GOBAMAROLLTIDE (1) 1 -1
3 Oregon 1 -2
4 Buckeyes 4 0
4 (tie) Baylor (1) 6 +2
6 Miami 7 +1
7 Auburn 13 +6
8 Missouri 5 -3
9 Clemson 10 +1
10 Stanford 9 -1
11 Oklahoma N/R +5
12 Sparty 15 +3
12 (tie) Northern Illinois N/R +4
14 Texas Tech 8 -6
15 LSU N/R +1

Also receiving one vote each: Texas A&M, Louisville, Fresno State, Wisconsin, Arizona State

Discuss among yourselves.

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15 – Week 8

Tuesday, October 22nd, 2013

Top 15

What a weird week. Clemson, Ohio State, and UCLA all dropped but stayed in the rankings. Everyone else who dropped dropped all the way out, probably as a reaction against the all-powerful SEC having a B1G-in-January-esque weekend.

Adding it up, there were 3 Pac-12, 3 B1G, 3 SEC, 4 ACC, and 2 Big XII teams in the top fifteen this week. How’s that for interconference parity?

Dropped out: LSU, Louisville, Texas A&M, South Carolina - We kind of brutally murdered the SEC this week. Or did they brutally murder themselves? Perhaps the reckoning is finally coming. It’s not going to be pretty after almost a decade of arrogance.

 

  Team Last Change
1 Oregon (1) 1 0
1 (tie) GOBAMAROLLTIDE (1) 1 0
3 Florida State 5 +2
4 Buckeyes 3 -1
5 Missouri 11 +6
6 Baylor 7 +1
7 Miami 12 +5
7 (tie) Texas Tech 12 +5
9 Stanford 14 +5
10 Clemson 3 -7
11 UCLA 9 -2
12 Wisconsin 15 +3
12 (tie) Auburn N/R +3
14 Virginia Tech N/R +2
15 Sparty N/R +1

Discuss among yourselves.

The Buckeye Ninja’s Top 15: Week 7

Tuesday, October 15th, 2013

Top 15

While the top of our poll stayed constant (we weren’t quite as hot for Stanford as others apparently) there was massive turnover in the middle and bottom. Texas Tech, Wisconsin, South Carolina, and Missouri all entered or re-entered the poll, Tech and Mizzou because undefeated in week 7 is pretty impressive (unless you’re coached by Ron Zook) no matter how easy your schedule has been. Wisky and the Cocks (sounds like an awesome band name) – well, someone had to be 15th.

Stanford dropped eight places after losing to Utah.

Dropped out: Georgia, Oklahoma, Northwestern - If you want to be in our top 15, stop losing.

 

  Team Last Change
1 Oregon (1) 1 0
1 (tie) GOBAMAROLLTIDE (1) 1 0
3 Clemson 3 0
3 (tie) Buckeyes 3 0
5 Florida State 5 0
6 Louisville 7 +1
7 LSU 8 +1
7 (tie) Baylor 8 +1
9 UCLA 14 +6
10 Texas A&M 10 0
11 Missouri N/R +5
12 Miami 11 -1
12 (tie) Texas Tech N/R +3
14 Stanford 6 -8
15 South Carolina N/R +1
15 (tie) Wisconsin N/R +1

Discuss among yourselves.